tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post5550435417888830577..comments2023-11-12T20:59:55.490-05:00Comments on Building a Jewish Life: Why I Am "Modern Orthodox"Kochavahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-62758733157600068712014-11-18T00:05:53.774-05:002014-11-18T00:05:53.774-05:00Response 2 / 2
I just read last Shabbat a great bo...Response 2 / 2<br />I just read last Shabbat a great book about a (non-orthodox) transwoman navigating some of the orthodox world: Through the Door of Life by Joy Ladin. She discusses her interactions with the orthodox world at Yeshiva University and Stern College, and I was quite surprised by their acceptance and kindness (minus the -relatively respectful by trans employers' standards- Kochavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-29177006915759364042014-11-18T00:05:17.602-05:002014-11-18T00:05:17.602-05:00Response 1 / ?
Hi, Kate. I hear the frustration, p...Response 1 / ?<br />Hi, Kate. I hear the frustration, pain, and anger in your voice. And I understand why it's there. Unfortunately, I think you've taken my words a bit too literally and then gone a bit too far in expressing your frustration. In this context, I spoke of being modern in the orthodox world. After all, the examples are about the yeshivish world. However, the reform, Kochavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-13583198388944749962014-11-16T23:21:33.971-05:002014-11-16T23:21:33.971-05:00"ANYONE can be "modern," no matter ..."ANYONE can be "modern," no matter their hashkafah."<br /><br />Well, yes, provided they are, among other things:<br />-straight<br />-cisgender, and<br />-single, or married to an opposite-sex spouse who also wishes to convert.<br /><br />If, like me, you are a trans queer person happily married to someone who is agnostic and not interested in being religious herself while Kate M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11942594313625206180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-35199134982579141752014-04-04T16:20:53.798-04:002014-04-04T16:20:53.798-04:00I think there is a big mistake that both sides hav...I think there is a big mistake that both sides have gotten wrong.<br />It is called plan B.<br />The ultra orthodox don't want to admit that it exists. And the modern orthodox dont want to think that what they do is any less than A.<br />But plan B exists and everyone more or less engages in it.<br />Things like shomer nigiah and shmiras eiynayim and much more are clear halachos. You cant be Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013038964446826895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-28656572343230660082013-03-13T19:46:55.951-04:002013-03-13T19:46:55.951-04:00Originally posted: January 10, 2012 at 1:50 AM
He...Originally posted: January 10, 2012 at 1:50 AM<br /><br />Hersh: is that intended as an insult? Because I don't see what other reason you would have for posting that here. If it was not an insult, I'm curious to know why you thought that post was related to this post. I just don't see the connection.Kochavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-48110189093157360182013-03-13T19:46:15.481-04:002013-03-13T19:46:15.481-04:00Originally posted: December 8, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Wh...Originally posted: December 8, 2011 at 8:23 PM<br /><br />When I say hooker, I don't use it lightly. I mean dressing like the girls at my beach town school mid-summer. Halter tips, barely-there shorts, necklines that go below the breasts. I'm not saying they dress this way all the time, but thy they wouldn't think twice about it when the weather is warm. And I don't mean "Kochavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-12825287177977934262013-03-13T19:45:24.012-04:002013-03-13T19:45:24.012-04:00Originally posted: December 7, 2011 at 10:43 PM
A...Originally posted: December 7, 2011 at 10:43 PM<br /><br />Anonymous: I am thinking of the people who half-heartedly keep Shabbat and kashrut (until it's inconvenient or they're drunk enough), but dress like hookers and have one-night stands with dates. My perception is skewed to my own age-range, I'm afraid.Kochavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-12201261503230006512011-12-21T04:51:00.721-05:002011-12-21T04:51:00.721-05:00You may find this interesting:
http://achaslmaala...You may find this interesting:<br /><br />http://achaslmaala.blogspot.com/2009/12/its-all-greek-to-me-purim-repost-lchvod.htmlHershnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-59691858494105792332011-12-08T19:37:29.694-05:002011-12-08T19:37:29.694-05:00> but dress like hookers and have one-night st...> but dress like hookers and have one-night stands with dates<br /><br />By this you mean - date and wear sandals/shorter skirts in the summer and swimware at the beach?<br />I actually see this as a positive thing. First, I dont see Jewish women in skirts as more jewishly-committed <br />than Jewish women in pants... Skirts are just more traditional in most communities, that's it...<br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-31703428274648181472011-12-08T16:02:45.947-05:002011-12-08T16:02:45.947-05:00When I wennt to the BD a few weeks ago they pulled...When I wennt to the BD a few weeks ago they pulled out a letter I had sent about a year previously describing myself as 'modern orthodox' and said it concerned them... I had to defend my use of the term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-48541145371302072512011-12-08T12:10:51.438-05:002011-12-08T12:10:51.438-05:00Maybe my perception is different, because the firs...Maybe my perception is different, because the first place I was ever exposed to "religious" (read Orthodox) Jews was in Israel, but I know lots of folks who might be described as "bad modern orthodox," who were absolutely pivotal in influencing and encouraging me to find my derech. Thank G-d for (and namaste to) these bad boys and gifls who showed me that Judaism can work for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-32889529622359138942011-12-08T00:21:18.864-05:002011-12-08T00:21:18.864-05:00Yup, that's my perception of "modern,&quo...Yup, that's my perception of "modern," too, as it's used as an insult around these parts. I have spent the last couple of years shouting at my kids (trying to be heard!) that this yeshivish leaning town is NOT all there is to Yiddishkeit and that there is a niche for them somewhere. I doubt they believed me, but my son came home from Israel a few weeks ago <a href="http://Tziviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828930310967808828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-8438747688253152942011-12-07T22:03:34.476-05:002011-12-07T22:03:34.476-05:00>my own stereotype of the "bad" kind ...>my own stereotype of the "bad" kind of modern >orthodox is someone who keeps kosher and >Shabbat, but not much else<br /><br />Curious now, what do you mean by "not much else"? Keeping kosher, shabbat and family laws are the main thing... <br />What more would you like? Tznius, shomer negiah, and further to no internet/no tv?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-24768297482731593692011-12-07T21:32:23.990-05:002011-12-07T21:32:23.990-05:00I think this says it well, though it's Avi Wei...I think <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0411/is_n4_v46/ai_20583577/" rel="nofollow">this</a> says it well, though it's Avi Weiss and he's talking about Open Orthodox (although I have to admit that the way he writes it, it sounds like regular Modern Orthodox to me...so many divisions...)Laurahttp://crystaldecadenz.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-78203550350623095682011-12-07T16:57:09.407-05:002011-12-07T16:57:09.407-05:00I clapped when I read this post! Seriously. I have...I clapped when I read this post! Seriously. I have been trying for weeks to put this very thing into a post myself and it seems I just struggle with how to explain myself.<br /><br />Another thing I've been thinking is that some people who are ffb have this need to become more "strict" in their observance because as they were born observant it isn't so much a stretch for them toEllehttp://www.onbecomingdevoted.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-27305920967561879802011-12-07T15:14:34.871-05:002011-12-07T15:14:34.871-05:00"I've chosen to stop looking for the unqu..."I've chosen to stop looking for the unquestionable conversion. As far as I can tell, they're ALL questionable. So instead, I will take the time to find the community that is best for me hashkafically. "<br /><br />Wise decision!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-59494100947931326662011-12-07T13:39:16.930-05:002011-12-07T13:39:16.930-05:00Interesting take on the very disputed meaning of t...Interesting take on the very disputed meaning of the term.<br /><br />By your definition, don't you think that Chabad could be labeled as "Modern Orthodox"? I constantly hear sermons at Chabad about how we shouldn't shun technology, the internet, the secular world, etc. For Parshas Noach, the rabbi at the Chabad I go to spoke about Noach not wanting to leave the teivah. He Ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-84970123542921377822011-12-07T12:56:06.187-05:002011-12-07T12:56:06.187-05:00Like most things going on in Orthodoxy today, the ...Like most things going on in Orthodoxy today, the term "modern" as something negative goes back to Europe and Yiddish. Go to Hebrewbooks.org and place מאדערנישע or מאדערנע and the like in the text search. Aside for all the late 20th century Satmar periodicals, there are loads of results from pre-War Europe. Here's a book called "The 'Clever' Child, or, the Modern S.http://onthemainline.blospot.comnoreply@blogger.com