tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post4649508721716838399..comments2023-11-12T20:59:55.490-05:00Comments on Building a Jewish Life: Should Synagogue Membership Forms Ask If You Are a Convert?Kochavahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-7401840468176835772017-03-23T20:36:24.244-04:002017-03-23T20:36:24.244-04:00"just as clueless as a convert." Serious..."just as clueless as a convert." Seriously? GTFO. You have no idea how much knowledge someone is required to have by the time they convert. Let me tell you, it's a lot. And at the moment of conversion, they are fully an orthodox Jew, not a "clueless" secular Jew. And your rant about DNA and liberty makes zero sense. Kochavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841373131402987905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-91150323828343971092016-08-04T15:37:10.638-04:002016-08-04T15:37:10.638-04:00Yes, obviously but who cares anyway CB"D does...Yes, obviously but who cares anyway CB"D doesn't have official membership just give and go or go and give if its Shabbat. I remember an interesting Christian guy visiting the synagogue in Redwood City and that was though provoking and fun to have him there. Its not about membership but are the beliefs similar that it doesn't matter. Synagogue is a place of leaning, not proselytizing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-43512138815473304512011-08-09T08:45:45.761-04:002011-08-09T08:45:45.761-04:00I assume you're talking about הלאום although i...I assume you're talking about הלאום although in mine, at least, there isn't really anything in the central left.<br /><br />There's a picture at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:TZExample.jpg which is quite accurate, except that יהודי is no longer listed.<br /><br />For better or for worse, I don't know any Israeli geirim (to be precise, I don't know that I Mikeagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827275300296295639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-51496544268644193122011-08-08T21:49:22.735-04:002011-08-08T21:49:22.735-04:00But, I have seen it on other people's teudat z...But, I have seen it on other people's teudat ze'ut's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-37648313732243260372011-08-08T21:48:50.345-04:002011-08-08T21:48:50.345-04:00You can ask any Israeli ger (who doesn't mind ...You can ask any Israeli ger (who doesn't mind and is happy to share), it is in the central left side. Not having a teudat zeut yet, I can't tell you exactly..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-85957458901723842282011-08-08T02:48:14.842-04:002011-08-08T02:48:14.842-04:00Just out of curiousity, where does a teudat zehut ...Just out of curiousity, where does a teudat zehut indicate geirus?<br /><br />I'm looking at mine right now, and it doesn't say I'm Jewish (kal v'chomer how), nor can I see where such information would be added (the closest is the "ethnicity" (הלאום) field, which has been ****** for everyone for a while now, following challenges from the Reform movement, but otherwise Mikeagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827275300296295639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-56991201680173627292011-08-08T01:00:40.243-04:002011-08-08T01:00:40.243-04:00Chavi-We're machmir about nearly everything in...Chavi-We're machmir about nearly everything in Orthodox Judaism. We go machmir on meat, machmir on haircovering, and in some communities machmir on "lashon hora" (that leads to sex abuse.) Why not be machmir about not oppressing the convert? <br /><br />For instance, what if you want to set your child up with the child of someone who was the membership committee but they don't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-1505162462036944282011-07-13T17:04:41.405-04:002011-07-13T17:04:41.405-04:00Everyone should have to prove their status before ...Everyone should have to prove their status before joining an Orthodox shul. Ideally, it would be done like this: the potential members meet with the rabbi, who checks them out just as he would before performing a marriage. Then, he gives his stamp of approval on their application, which goes to the membership committee. This way converts and born Jews alike have their status confirmed in a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-28841322263351039472011-07-13T14:01:45.093-04:002011-07-13T14:01:45.093-04:00One of my friends was unable to get married in Isr...One of my friends was unable to get married in Israel because he couldn't find sufficient documentation to convince the Rabbinate that he was a Jew. (His grandparents were brought up secular, so no history of ketubot, early synagogue affiliation, etc.) In America he had no problem finding an O rabbi who would perform the ceremony.Larry Lennhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578073969473815180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-37883901315403689442011-07-13T12:05:50.757-04:002011-07-13T12:05:50.757-04:00As Chavi pointed out, many people look at synagogu...As Chavi pointed out, many people look at synagogue membership rolls as the modern replacement for pinkas ha-ir, the community register. Halachicly there is a difference; but socially the equation still creates real challenges.<br /><br />What's more, you are ignoring the fact that a born Jew indeed should be questioned at least briefly at least once in their lives - before they get married.Mordechai Y. Scherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06774262478551329181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-40034565078398917182011-07-13T03:47:05.740-04:002011-07-13T03:47:05.740-04:00Sarah--You put it simply, and well. Check everybod...Sarah--You put it simply, and well. Check everybody's status or nobody's. Considering the current confusion over background--anybody's--the status of a convert is much easier to verify and less likely to be problematic. And, as has been noted, there are fewer of us.<br /><br />Are we going to run background checks? Yeah, check 'em all. If there's a status problem, it belongs Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-45752508229167082822011-07-13T01:51:02.309-04:002011-07-13T01:51:02.309-04:00Personally there is a time and place to discuss su...Personally there is a time and place to discuss such things. I don't feel the need to know each and every detail about why someone chose to become Jewish in accordance with Halacha that is.<br /><br />If you converted through an recognised Orthodox Beis Din then I have no reason to question you're Jewishness nor am I in the position to do so.<br /><br />Quite frankly at the end of the dayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-56523044846706489452011-07-12T19:33:30.529-04:002011-07-12T19:33:30.529-04:00Seriously? There should be one question about stat...Seriously? There should be one question about status: Are you Jewish? Either everyone's status should be investigated, or nobody's should be.Susan Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840373234747823781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-34317825251631585992011-07-12T13:38:03.220-04:002011-07-12T13:38:03.220-04:00@Nate - You make it sound as though it's entir...@Nate - You make it sound as though it's entirely up to us converts whether the status of "convert" is something to be proud of or ashamed of. In fact, the reason I (and so many other converts) feel a need to hide our status is because converts (and, in a different sense, ba'alei teshuvah) are treated as second-class Jews by those lucky enough to be born into a frum family. If IElishevanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-66469741600558378962011-07-12T12:23:45.023-04:002011-07-12T12:23:45.023-04:00Nate--In general, I have no problem divulging my s...Nate--In general, I have no problem divulging my status, but I would prefer to choose the time and place. I find it annoying to be expected to answer the "why" question when people already know me. I know it is customary in many groups to pour out one's Inner Truth and most personal history right after filling in "Hello-u Name Is", but I was raised to think that this is Chanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13525977869500274123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-42733419178815677812011-07-12T09:17:47.520-04:002011-07-12T09:17:47.520-04:00Unless the Jewish status of born Jews is checked i...Unless the Jewish status of born Jews is checked in some fashion the only people screened out are 1) those ignorant enough to not know non-O conversions are not acceptable to the Orthodox 2) those honest enough to admit that they are a convert, but dishonest enough to want to hide the fact that their conversion was not Orthodox, and 3) those unfortunate enough to have a conversion through a beit Larry Lennhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578073969473815180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-75073979358028842912011-07-12T07:18:57.469-04:002011-07-12T07:18:57.469-04:00I agree, Nate.I agree, Nate.CrazyJewishConverthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219720130466040423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-20938657604208092802011-07-12T06:30:37.639-04:002011-07-12T06:30:37.639-04:00I'm not sure the comparison between a convert ...I'm not sure the comparison between a convert and a BT works. Anyway, I've never understood why people have an aversion to letting people know that they converted. Converts should be proud of what they did; and there are more of them/us out there than we think there are. <br /><br />In my circumstance, I asked my Rabbi what to do, he told me that I should be open about it to anyone that Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-73432807618997764222011-07-12T03:09:09.636-04:002011-07-12T03:09:09.636-04:00LOL, thanks Mike :) You'd think people would t...LOL, thanks Mike :) You'd think people would talk about this more since I'd bet there's a lot more BTs than converts!CrazyJewishConverthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219720130466040423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5292734369805726323.post-25494341989788558472011-07-12T02:39:01.429-04:002011-07-12T02:39:01.429-04:00==== BEGIN QUOTE ====
If that were the case, why i...==== BEGIN QUOTE ====<br />If that were the case, why isn't there a prohibition against calling someone a baal teshuva?<br />==== END QUOTE ====<br /><br />Good argument... except that there is :)<br /><br />Some sources at http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2008/12/baalei-teshuva-hurting-their-feelings.html<br /><br />[I don't recommend some of the comments...]Mikeagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827275300296295639noreply@blogger.com